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Worst Bad Beat in Poker I have ever seen!

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  1. dcwilson26

    dcwilson26 MSC Knight

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    As you guys know, I deal poker in Las Vegas. I see lots of crazy stuff happen every day but this particular one takes the cake by a mile! So here it goes...

    My friend Sean, one of the cashiers at the poker room I work for, was playing 2-4 limit holdem after his shift on Tuesday. He was doing quite well, especially against this young guy who was playing live poker for the first time; we'll call him Dumbass. Now before I go any further, let me tell you about our table jackpot. If anyone has Aces full of 10s or better and is beat by a four of a kind, the losing hand gets $4000, the winning hand gets $2500, and everyone sitting at that tables gets $500. So anyway, Sean seems to be beating Dumbass in every hand that the two are in. Dumbass keeps buying more and more chips, determined to beat Sean and get some of his money back. So that is the preface to this bad beat story. Now to begin...

    Sean looks down and sees an Ace and Queen so he calls the blind and decides to play. A few people call, a few more fold, and Dumbass also calls. The flop comes up with an Ace, another Ace and a Queen. Sean has a full house, Aces full of Queens. He bets and everyone else fold except for Dumbass who calls. The turn card is a 2. Sean bets again and Dumbass calls again. The river card is another 2. Dumbass laughs and yells "AHA! I got you this time!". Thinking, "whatever", Sean just checks. Dumbass bets and Sean quickly calls and turns over his Ace and Queen. Dumbass grabs his two cards, raises them up over his head and slams them down on to the table yelling "Four 2s!!!". Unfortunately for everyone at the table, only one of his 2s hits the table. In his excitement and showboating, Dumbass had lost control of one of his cards as he forcefully threw them to the table. The other card had flown up over his shoulder and landed face down on the floor. He quickly reaches down and puts the card face up on the table showing his four 2s. However, casino rules state that any time a card from a player's hand goes off the table, the hand is declared dead and is folded. The floorman called surveillance to see if they could identify the card before his went off the table but they could not. Therefore, the ruling stood and Dumbass lost the hand, and his share of the jackpot.

    To summarize, Sean would have won $4000 except for the fact that Dumbass got so excited he couldn't do something as simple as turning his hand over. Sean ends up winning the $30-something pot but is so sick to his stomach that he just cashes out and goes home. The next day he told me that he couldn't even sleep, and I don't blame him.

    So if you are ever playing poker and someone starts complaining to you about some bad beat or bad luck, just tell them this story and I'm sure they will shut the f*** up. Happy gambling!
     
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    SpocKirk Forum Moderator and Donator

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    They couldn't do the zoom...enhance...enhance... thing like in Blade Runner?

    I would beat the $4000 out of the guy. (not really, but I would be very mad)
     
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    Jakeman MSC Founder and Donator

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    Gambling is a bad beat. Profit should never enter into it. Do it for fun or not at all. :noid:
     
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    Poker != gambling. It's a game of skill.
     
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    Laugh if you wish, but it's true. Good players win consistently. The best players make a living doing it.

    If poker is not a game of skill, how else do you explain this? Some people are just consistently lucky? Touched by God? Have X-ray vision?
     
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    Jakeman MSC Founder and Donator

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    Rather I am laughing at the majority of those poker players who believe they have the skill but who lose consistently and continue to play. They love to cite the best players as evidence that their efforts will one day bear fruit. They also like to cite their short terms winnings and not their long term losses. It's almost a romantic delusion that some people have about the game.

    And more to the point... the skill factor doesn't change the fact that you are risking money on chance. That is called gambling. To say that poker isn't gambling is deluded.
     
  8. Lurk

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    Wrong. I don't "gamble" when I play. Some people play that way, yes, and I won't deny that poker has a significant luck component involved (but then, so does baseball). However, if it were truly a game of chance everyone would break even over the long term, and this is clearly not what happens in the real world. (And the "gamblers" are usually the ones feeding my stack.)

    And I am by no means one of the best players in the world. But I am better than those I usually play against, which is all that matters.

    If you are curious, over the last 5 years I am up just shy of $3000, playing 5-10 limit or 1-2 no limit once a month at the casinos.

    I am a consistent winner in home games as well, but I don't really keep records on those.
     
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    Jakeman MSC Founder and Donator

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    Good for you. You are good at poker.
     
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    Yeah I'm okay. The key to the game is knowing that the cards are largely irrelevant, at least in Hold 'Em.
     
  11. dcwilson26

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    Yes, poker IS gambling. It is a game based on odds just like any other game in a casino. The difference with poker is that the game is not skewed to the house's advantage since the house takes a rake from every pot (usually $4-$5 maximum). This means that it is possible to only play hands where your odds of winning are over 60% every time. (In contrast to Blackjack where you are always at a 49% or less chance of winning) The law of averages states that over a long period of time, you will win more hands than you will lose and you will make money in poker, whereas you will lose money in Blackjack. However, the key phrase is "over a long period of time". If you only play poker once, the fact that you win or lose is based mostly on luck since not enough hands have been dealt to even out the percentages. So if you play poker for a weekend during a trip to Vegas and you win, its because you got lucky (or not unlucky) but if you play poker every day for a year and win overall, its because you know your odds and you are a good player. This is what the professionals do.

    I personally have not gambled (yes, not even poker) in over a year and a half. I guess being around poker all day gives me the "fix" I need so that I am not tempted to go play after work like a lot of people. I think I am the only person in Vegas who doesn't gamble.
     

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