Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by Kaeric, Sep 30, 2004.
So, are you guys going to watch? or do you think they are no more than a bi-partisan media sundae.
If I do vote at all, I'm voting Bush. Kerry hasn't shown any plan at all, all he's said is that "he has a plan" and that he's "going to be strong and reaffirm our allies". Unless he can tell me what that plan is, and that he's not going to drop iraq like a live grenade, I'm voting Bush (no matter how much of a dumbshit he is)
The presidential debates are all about personality and style points. They are an extremely poor way to pick your favorite candidate. By now, everyone who has been paying attention knows what each of them stands for and what they want to do. The debates are "won" by which staff anticipated the questions better.
Well for you undesideds:
Bush is lacking on the specifics, but has a plan. Kerry is lacking on the plan, but has the specifics. Where Bush would say, "I believe in protecting the health of the American people," Kerry would say, "look at this graph that shows rising medical costs over the last 4 years."
I am more swayed by specifics than by broad sweeping proclamations. At least the former is saying something, whereas the later is nothing but empty talk. For that reason, Kerry will probably get my vote.
...and I don't want to get drafted
It wont happen
(see old thread)
Ok, that point set aside.
did any of you guys see that video on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart where they edited together clips from speeches from when bush was governor and when he was president and he debated himself?
Saying "look at this graph" doesnt mean he has a plan. All he's saying is that there are bad things going down. For all you know, he could tell you to look at that graph, then instead of fixing the medical system, he could raise taxes by 4% to pay for it.
I'll feel really betrayed if the world still hates America after all this. We need to be able to say "see, we were right".
I think you have former and latter reversed.
Bush is the kind of guy that if i were trying to argue a point with him in person, i would probably get so angry that i'd punch him.
"the military will remain an all volunteer military" -Bush in "debate" closing statement
There is ignorance everywhere...Even if we can eventually fully justify it, it will be very hard to get the world to believe that "we were right" when they have had the last couple of years to believe that were were very very wrong.
Yeah that's what I said.
I hear the televised debate was tonight? I didn't get to see it. Is it online anywhere?
cnn.com has them, but they are using gimp RealPlayer and you have to get the "trial/pay" version.
Boston.com has them divided into three parts.
I couldn't google up anything more substantial.
Style over substance may have been the status quo for these things, but last night GW got his arse handed to him by a fairly impressive John Kerry. Kerry clearly scored big in a debate that was supposed to pander to Bush's "strong suit".
It definitely changed my opinion of him for the better and I don't think anyone that heard this debate can honestly argue that Kerry was a "flip-flopper" on the Iraq War. He stated his view in a definite manner last night.
I thought Bush really tried to make too many flip fliopper comments against Bush. It seemed like he was on the defence the entire time.
ok...it just seemed like Bush was always making comments to highlight Kerry's reputation as a "flip flopper." It didnt seem like Bush made as many valid points for the future as made cracks at Kerry's record and his "changing agenda on [insertpoliticaltopic]"
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