Here is another point of view. Lets take...say, photoshop. I have photoshop. I didn't pay for it. Had I never downloaded it I never would have seriously used it and I never would have gotten good at it. Since I have downloaded it and used it extenisvly I have gained quite the considerable skill. I then convinced the school to buy a lab copy (30) of the photoshop 6 as well as a few 3rd party filters which I also have "Gained" access to. There is VERY little chance that the school would have gotten these copies if I wasn't there to push for them. (we had a media grant and had the choice to spend it on this or a bunch of other software which I had no care for, I managed to convince the director to purchase the photoshop instead.) Okay: lets look at the two scenarios: I don't pirate software. I stay legit. I don't learn photoshop. Adobe doesn't gain or lose anything. I pirate software. I don't stay legit. I learn photoshop. Adobe sells 30 extra copies of photoshop (albeit at the education price), not to mention the extra 3rd party filters that we registered (xenofex for those who care). Same thing with Final Cut Pro, the ROP Video lab started the year with some extra cash. The lab has about 8 (i think, havn't counted) iMacs and 2 G4 450's. The G4's had final cut 1. Because of my experiance with FCP 2 I convinced the ROP lab admin to update to Final Cut Pro 2 as well as get 2 more full copies of FCP 2 for 2 new iMacs which were also bought with the fund. (different admin, different grant, yeah tech people like me for some reason, what can I say? Deciding where money gets spent is fun!) :P Apple sold 2 extra copies of FCP and 2 upgrades because I pirated thier software, and it didn't even cost them anything... kinda like free advirtising I guess. Not only that I have shown off FCP to several hardcore PC users and have almost convinced some of them to buy a mac. Even more money for them. I believe that software piracy is only evil when someone has a program, uses it, can afford it, but doesn't buy it. That is wrong. (It is always unethical).