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Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by cowofwar, Aug 4, 2002.

  1. Draco_Auric

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    Like Nazi gold!
     
  2. MisterHalleck

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    See, a socialistic or communist state does not support large ventures by single people. Under a social system, Bill Gates would not really be allowed, for some reason or another, to have Microsoft as big as it is now- so all his R&D for new things like Office (remember, that had to be invented and thousands of people contributed to it's making) would not exist. So the status quo would be maintained. In large nations, most people are concerned about affairs that are too far away from them. In a small nation, like Sweden, local business is essentially national business. Heck, Sweden is a country with less land area and less people that California!

    While a form of "evolved Socialism" like you have in Sweden would work (as opposed to a "revolutionary Socialism" like what befell Russia 80 yrs ago), I still think that a system based on the book "Brave New World" would be ideal. A large system, one that allows for massive technological progress with conglomerates and private business, is good because it benefits consumers: newer, better goods at reduced prices. That's what competition is all about. But you cant have that kind of system without the peons, the manual laborers. We solved that problem in automobiles by using robots to make them. But what about the people who string telephone lines or handle customer-service calls all day? What about bus drivers? Those are tedious jobs that require a human to be present.

    By screwing around with people's DNA, we could attempt a system where each person would be made for his or her general profession. A class of underlings for tedious work, a class of mental peple for R&D, a class of builders, and so on. It would work because each class would be happiest at the job it was assigned to. Granted, it does abuse certain basic elements of human rights by killing the power of Choice, but then if EVERYONE had choice then we end up fighting for things that are scarce.
     
  3. Strader

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    Why not just invent androids? Probably just as "easy" and you wouldn't get people upset over messing with human beings.
     
  4. MisterHalleck

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    We know more about how to screw with existing life than how to make it from scratch. AI is farther off than you think, pal.
     
  5. Beeble

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    Did somebody say hypothetical?
     
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    This looks like one of those happy threads where everyone is nice to each other.
     
  7. Haite

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    Not really, TRW has some government contracts for which they've developed some nearly working prototypes under Solaris.
     
  8. MisterHalleck

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    yes, so what? the thing you need is intelligence, and we can get that from existing beings.

    AI is problematic because nobody undersands how real memory works- is it chemical or electrical, or is it in the way the cells link together. you can't speculate. It's easier to create a hybrid being than make one from the ground up.

    2 really cool things I saw:

    A mind-controlled rat. Scientists put electrodes into the pleasure center and left and right arm centers in it's brain, then put a radio on the rat's back. By giving it pleasure together with a direction, it will go wherever they want- even ignoring CHEESE!!!

    and: you'ver all heard about the mouse they crossed withe jellyfish genes? they took bioluminecent genes from a type of glowing jellyfish and crossed them with a mouse embryo- result: glowing mouse
     

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