I just got an e-mail from ATI about the Radeon. Here's what is says. "Dear Sir, Thank you for your inquiry and interest in ATI products. All in Wonder Radeon 32MB AGP has begun to ship, however it will take several weeks for the products to be shipped to distributors, then to resellers an finally on to the retail shelf for you to purchase. The All in Wonder Radeon 32MB PCI card is scheduled to start shipping in North America in November 2000. The RADEON 64MB DDR (with video in/video out) boards are have started to ship however given the big demand for this product availability will vary from distributors and resellers. The RADEON Mac Edition, AGP version, boards have started to ship however given the big demand for this product availability will vary from distributors and resellers. The RADEON Mac Edition PCI is scheduled to be released later this year (Dec 2000). Should you have further questions, please feel free to contact us. Sincerely, Kally Prassad ATI Sales Support 33 Commerce Valley Drive East Thornhill, Ontario L3T 7N6 Telephone: (905) 882-2600 Option 4 Fax: (905) 882-2620 Email: firstname.lastname@example.org Web site: http://www.ati.com <http://www.ati.com/> " That sucks! I want the card now! I need the pci version, so it looks like I'll be waiting another month or longer! The Voodoo 5 is starting to look better. ------------------ If girls didn't have tits, we'd throw rocks at them!