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Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by mrdoomsday, Apr 3, 2003.

  1. mrdoomsday

    mrdoomsday Peasant

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    Umm use the suns heat to evaporate the water and get out anything not h20. then i beleice all you have to do is zap the water. or make it into a giants battery where the small elements seperate
     
  2. Jedsia

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    if the water evaporates, how do you zap it? :stupid2:

    the biggest problem with energy alternatives is they are expensive. Expensive to produce. Expensive to incorporate. If alternative power was so easy to get, we'd all have solar powered cars, but it's too expensive and to convert water to energy you need special equipment, which needs to be implemented into existing or new technologies.

    As the technologies become easier and less expensive, they will drift into the general public, the same way computers did. At first they were a luxury, now they are an everyday household appliance almost.
     
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    Anyways, whenever someone says nuclear everyone else thinks three eyed fishes and Chechnya [sp?]. Truth is, it's the safest form of power. Many of the nuclear plants around today are twenty years after their expected expirary date and they still run better than most coal and oil plants.

    Then the retards complain about nuclear waste storage in yucca mountain and such. The waste is isolated in the mountain, far away from everyone. The soot and garbage in the air from oil and coal power plants affects millions of people everyday while maybe one person is involved in nuclear waste accidents a year.
     
  4. Jakeman

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    H2O in vapor phase is still H2O. The molecular bonds in H2O aren't photosensitive enough for sunlight to break them.
     
  5. Elbereth

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    Yes. People fear what they do not understand. Grr.
     
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    I was on a Sub too. :D
     
  7. Haite

    Haite Forum Moderator

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    That and perhaps fusion will solve our nuclear waste problem. Fission the uranium into plutonium, then fuse the plutonium back into uranium.
     
  8. Elbereth

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    Umm. Plutonium is bigger than Uranium. It takes a special reactor (breeder) to make plutonium, which is a lousy power producing type anyway. They are also less safe than light water reactors.
     
  9. Haite

    Haite Forum Moderator

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    Whichever way it goes :think:.
     
  10. MisterHalleck

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    chechnya is a country but you're thinking of Chernobyl.

    and yes, the amount of radioactive carbon-14 put out by a coal plant is far greater than the radiation put out by a nuke plant.
     
  11. cowofwar

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    Perpetual motion machine?

    Anyways, they already have pebble reactors that solve the waste problem. Instead of rods they use graphite pebbles coated in uranium/plutonium. Makes it impossible for the reactor to go supercritical as well.
     
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    It does not work that way.
    I think that in both fission and fusion matter is converted into energy, thus you lose matter.
     
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    I nuclear plant does not put out any carbon-14 at all. I don´t think a coal produces any at all as well.
     
  14. Elbereth

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    Coal power plants release much more radioactivity than nuclear plants.

    http://www.ornl.gov/ORNLReview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html
     
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    What kind of radiation does Uranium 235 give off? Alpha, beta, or gamma?
     
  16. kraahl

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    interesting
    it might still not be interesting though. The radiation from from ordinary carbon should be the same as the background radiation and it´s harmfull effects are limited.
    background radiation and radiations in general is a major factor for evolution to continue.
    the comparision is interesting, but that is not an argument why we should use nuclear instead of fossil fuels, at least not a very good one.

    Jake: I´m pretty sure it gives off alpha, beta and gamma. All of them, that is.
     
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    Dance dance to the yeoh.

    All uranium isotopes are radioactive. The three natural uranium isotopes found in the environment, U-234, U-235, and U-238, undergo radioactive decay by emission of an alpha particle accompanied by weak gamma radiation. The dominant isotope, U-238, forms a long series of decay products that includes the key radionuclides radium-226, and radon-222. The decay process continues until a stable, non-radioactive decay product is formed.

    The most common radioisotopes of plutonium are plutonium-238, plutonium-239, and plutonium-240. Plutonium is created from uranium in nuclear reactors.
    When uranium-238 absorbs a neutron, it becomes uranium-239 which ultimately decays to plutonium-239. Different isotopes of uranium and different combinations of neutron absorptions and radioactive decay, create different isotopes of plutonium.
     
  18. Haite

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    Matter is only converted into energy supposedly in collisions between matter and anti-matter around a black hole. Matter and energy are not interchangeable in Newtonian physics. Fission breaks atoms apart into smaller atoms, fusion bonds two atoms together.

    The sun is a sustained fusion reaction. Its gravity forces its hydrogen into close proximity so that atoms collide, fuse, release heat energy, and therefore cause the atoms to move at an even faster rate, perpetuating the fusion reaction.
     
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    Yes, I forgot to mention Uranium 238 is non-fissible. Therefore, nuclear reactor control rods are basically solid rods of Uranium 238. They act as neutron absorbers, and control the fission reaction. When the whole rod's been spent, the Uranium 239 is removed and left to decay in a protected storage area.
     
  20. cowofwar

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    More like in buckets in my basement.

    am i rite folks?
     

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