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  1. Jakeman

    Jakeman MSC Founder and Donator

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    This clip contains so much insight into the idiocy that is cloud computing:

    "What The Hell Is Cloud Computing?" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0

    Very similar to the vague concepts that are SEO and Web 2.0, cloud computing seems to be the next big sales pitch that is infecting the minds of noobs.

    I get customers now who ask if we sell a cloud version of our software. Sometimes the requested cloud version is defined by the customer as an alternative to PHP / MySQL, as if the cloud is some kind of programming language with appropriate database backend. Sometimes the cloud is a networking protocol. Sometimes it is what amounts to a standard shared web server.

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    Is this the end result buzz word of service-oriented architecture? The whole IBM WebSphere Application Server? I saw cloud computing in a television advertisement and I thought to myself...how is any of this new and what the hell are these people talking about in their "clouds"
     
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    From what I gathered from this thread, "cloud computing" is and it's just some pseudo-word that basically means nothing. But people talk about cloud computing even though they have no idea what it is.
     
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    The cloud is a database of voice data.

    http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/ne...nition-gets-cloudy-will-soon-rival-humans.ars

     
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    The cloud is a database abstraction layer.

    http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2009/10/mysql-gets-cloudy-with-amazons-new-database-service.ars

     
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    The cloud is a software / hardware service that has redundancy, better security and reliability than an average person.

    I think my raid 1 is a cloud. It provides redundancy, security, and reliability.

    http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/why-cloud-storage-and-computing-rocks/

     
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    The cloud is a hosting plan which has superior uptime.

    http://www.rackspacecloud.com/cloud_hosting_products

    The cloud is a load balanced or clustered hosting environment.

    The cloud is extensible online storage.

     
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    The cloud is new and important. The definition of the cloud is constantly being refined.

    http://blogs.idc.com/ie/?p=422

    Cloud services are real time internet things.

    See image.
     

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    The cloud is anything that involves delivering hosted services over the Internet.

    Is there anything on the internet that isn't a hosted service? Clients connect to servers which host stuff. Yes?

    http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid201_gci1287881,00.html

     
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    http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html

     
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    I think I just had an epiphany. :idea:

    Most definitions of cloud computing specify some kind of abstraction layer beyond which there is no information. For example, a hard drive is not in the cloud. But when you abstract the hard drive as some unknown storage medium then it is in the cloud. It is as if the cloud is everything for which we have no detailed information. Ignorance is part of the definition.

    That actually helps to explain why the cloud is so popular. Ignorance can be a very powerful sales tool.
     
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    I added a criticism section to the wiki:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#Criticism

     
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    Removed last two paragraphs because they were "original research" which isn't allowed. I'm a wiki noob. I will source those and repost later.
     
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    Here is another strange one:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#Private_cloud

    This is a highly strange concept... the idea that the definition of a thing depends on the perspective from which that thing is being viewed. This definition of private clouds essentially makes the claim that the cloud ceases to be cloudy if you get too close to the underlying technology (e.g. having to physically manage a server on your intranet).

    Let's think about this. Cloud services have to be managed at the hardware level somewhere along the chain. For consumers the cloud is a cloud because they are far away from the hardware. For the IT personnel managing the cloud it is not a cloud because they are too close to the hardware. So the cloud is both a cloud and not a cloud at the same time depending on your perspective.

    This also supports my theory that ignorance is part of the definition of cloud computing.
     
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    I feel like you should be blaming Amazon for their S3 and EC2 services for popularizing the "cloud" term. If I had to sum up Amazon Web Services in general, I guess I would say that they're like "shared" hosting for professionals. You're 100% in charge of the software side, and they handle all of the hardware... You don't have to worry about having an intact RAID set or if you're running out of space or whatever.

    Also to contrast, AWS is billed in very small increments, i.e. $/GB for storage and transfer and hours of CPU time. They're on a declining scale so the more you use the cheaper it is per GB or hour.

    This definitely isn't what a lot of people mean when they say "cloud Computing" but it epitomizes how people feel about it: their data is highly available and they needn't be concerned with any hardware issues.
     
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    Many definitions of cloud computing specify some kind of massively networked and distributed computing system which allows for commonly attributed features like redundancy and uptime. Not with Intel.

    Intel is intimating that a single processor is cloudy if that processor equals the computing power of many computers which would normally make up the back end for so-called cloud applications. Obviously a single processor doesn't have the redundancy, uptime, or general massiveness of an entire data center of computers. So the cloud is apparently no longer a function of these commonly attributed features, but rather it is a function of raw computing power. Interesting.

    http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=825

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    I asked in the wiki IRC:

    Then he stopped talking to me.

    Our conversation follows the pattern of some one who necessarily disagrees with me. Notice his shifting arguments and his immediate abandonment of prior arguments. I encounter this kind of person a lot, where the more you press them the more polarized they become and the less sense they make.

    There is little point in pursuing this issue when faced with opponents like this... unless I feel like trolling it up, but I'm not in the mood.

    reference - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55aeT4zE0vE#t=2m51s
     

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