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Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by MisterHalleck, Sep 11, 2002.

  1. cowofwar

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    What if you're containing a plague?
     
  2. Jakeman

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    then humans are unintelligible :rolleyes:

    there are several example in history. the europeans slaughtering native americans is a more well known example.

    oh yeah, i forgot... they were just ignorant back then. :rolleyes: no, they weren't ignorant. they were driven to succeed and had to come up with an excuse. that is what the human race is. we are very stupid in large numbers.
     
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  3. DunAzrael

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    Resident Evil! I just saw that movie, major weird.
     
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  4. Haite

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    Said you in a religious argument thread,

    Would you think a Doberman and a Yorkshire Terrier were the same species without knowing? Granted there was a certain level of anatomical biology at the time, but we're not talking about intellectuals. You're right in that they tried to justify a wrong, but in their position, if being unaware of their relation to the natives, then they were justified.

    Although I thought we didn't reflect on the past? Water under a bridge, wasn't it?
     
  5. cowofwar

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    Why are you manually typing in the quote code? I caught on when you capitalized my name and spelled 'you're' incorrectly.
     
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  6. Jakeman

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    i'm saying that our higher intellectual capacity means nothing in light of historical events like the indian thing. we are proving our ability to be stupid.

    so...

    1) humans have a higher intellectual capacity (biological).

    2) humans don't excell in practical application of that intellectual capacity, especially in large groups. since the "big picture" always involves humans (plural), not a human, i feel my point is valid.

    you go too far. more specifically, my view on that is that we should not waste time feeling bad about things we can't change (like past events). what we are doing here is having a constructive debate / discussion that we can learn from. history is all about learning from past mistakes.
     
  7. SpocKirk

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    large groups not always representative of the whole of humanity.

    negative is always remembered through history.

    like the reparations for distant decendants of slaves. I never had slaves, none of my ancestors had slaves (as far back as I know). the people wanting reparations never experienced anything to do with slavery.
     
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  8. Strader

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    You know what really bugs me is black people who always complain about slavery and put down white people. Their own people had slaves during their history too. People who call slavery an American institution are fools. Slavery is bad but the US didn't start it.


    P.S. - Black people are cool it's just people who are like this that I find annoying.

    I want reparations because some of my white ancestors in Europe were held as slaves once 1000 years ago. I'll take 5 million in gold please. :deal: :shake:
     
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  9. Haite

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    Another generalization.
     
  10. Jakeman

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    you don't see how my point is valid, even somewhat? :confused:

    mob mentality :nod:

    //edit: and yes, it is a generalization. so? is that wrong?
     
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  11. MisterHalleck

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    jake, you'd be getting money from yourself (at least I would, I'm 1/4 italian and 1/2 anglo-saxon)
     
  12. Haite

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    It's wrong according to you, again I'll quote you from a past debate.
    I do see how your point is valid, but once again from your point of view it applies to any and all groups of people.
     
  13. Jakeman

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    i'm changing my position on generalizations in this case.

    yep, cos i'm generalizing about humans as a whole.

    so you acknowledge that my point is valid. there.
     
  14. Strader

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    When you generalize you condemn many people to the group that fits your description when they don't belong there. Generalizations are like blunt weapons, they work but they do a less precise job.
     
  15. Jakeman

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    i am not accusing individuals... and generalizations do not apply to everyone, only the majority. however, i'm sure most of us here would act equally stupid under the right circumstances. people do that, it's proven throughout history.
     
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    You're generalizing a generalization... if that makes sense. First, you assume that members of a group would unquestioningly follow it, and second that all groups are inherently bad. I'd say it's a faulty generalization even if you're talking about humans as a whole. I would speculate that humans have worked together, on average, more constructively than destructively, otherwise our intellectual evolution would have been fruitless. The gains must have outweighed the setbacks or we wouldn't be here, even your Vulcanistic logic dictates that.
     
  17. Jakeman

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    no and no :confused:
     
  18. Haite

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    So you're not generalizing that humans as a whole, when in large groups, behave stupidly?
     
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    yes, i am. :confused:
     
  20. Haite

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    Your position is not one of generalization then, since you grant that groups can serve as benefactors. However, I would pose again that if the majority of groups were malefactors to society, we would not be here to discuss it.
     

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