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Topic: Re: Suggestion: Changing factions | 8/30/2003 6:42:26 PM PDT 
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msc_JakemanView All Posts by This User

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161. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions | 8/30/2003 6:42:26 PM PDT
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I've actually already voted on like page... one or two I believe. I hope that extra tally wasn't mine >_< but if we can vote more than once you can count me in again ^_^


The latest "Yes" vote was from the post above yours. I am doing my best to not count people more than once.
WoWisBetterView All Posts by This User

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162. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=43, No=20 | 8/30/2003 6:43:42 PM PDT
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I'll say no about 500 times. Damn whiny n00bs..."WAA!!! I can't group with my friends, WAA!!!"


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WoWisBetterView All Posts by This User

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163. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=43, No=20 | 8/30/2003 6:44:37 PM PDT
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I think that i'll have more fun competing with my friends, and killing them in the PvP zones anyway :P.


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164. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=43, No=20 | 8/30/2003 6:52:17 PM PDT
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I'll say no about 500 times. Damn whiny n00bs..."WAA!!! I can't group with my friends, WAA!!!"




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Temp_TZView All Posts by This User

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165. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=43, No=20 | 8/30/2003 6:57:37 PM PDT
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I VOTE NO!!!!

Why do you want to destroy an important part of the lore and inmersement of the game JUST to be able to group with a different "character model"?

Yes, some points do make sense, such as wanting to kill an uber mob, common enemy, etc, but that dosen't prevent the posibility of people exploiting such practice in other moments.

With factions, you feel part of a team, not a just a limited group of players. You feel part of the storyline, and the events that will take place that will affect YOU and your team.

Factions are more importantly to keep pvp'ers happy, and at the same time, it helps promote people who rarely pvp in events (whether it be arena or battle).

More importantly, if world events are put in place, it gives the players a feeling that they are actually changing and helping evolve the storyline by being part of it.

The Pros outway the Cons people.


PS-Apart from that, MOST of the ideas nearly everyone is preseneting are very complicated to implement, seeing how you would need to create special NPCs for these types of mission. And basically assign a conning system for each NPC.
msc_JakemanView All Posts by This User

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166. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions | 8/30/2003 8:20:26 PM PDT
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Yes=43
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167. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=42, No=20 | 8/30/2003 8:21:06 PM PDT
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Thagwor-KulView All Posts by This User

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168. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=43, No=22 | 8/30/2003 8:23:52 PM PDT
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I just read the first post and i actually feel changing factions would open the world up to even more possibilities, like changing skill tree to the race you ally with or faction. See, ORC blacksmiths wont make human armor, but if they transfer to alliance they make human armor, etc. visa versa. You can also apply this to ORc changing to human alliance and gaining paladin skill tree. i think it would be a neat thing to do.

SO YES ON CHANGING FACTIONS
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169. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=43, N | 8/30/2003 8:40:13 PM PDT
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OK I suggested this earlier but I might as well post it again, tell me what u think:
Factions: Alliance, Horde and Nuetral

Rules: 1) Alliance and Horde members may not attack their own 2) Alliance and Horde are hard coded hostile to eachother 3) Nuetral are default friendly but may have hostility decalred against them or decalre it at any time. 4) In the event that blizzard implements "battles" between factions, nuetrals may chose to act as mercenaries for either side. They would get less of a reward for fighting in the battles though, and it may increase/decrease favor with each faction (generally a very slightly greater increase for the faction you're fighting for than a decrease for the other faction, so you can become a renowned mercenary both sides want if you become a high level)

Also there would be different options for different races at start:
Human: All humans start as alliance
Drwarves Gnomes and High elves (if added): May choose alliance or Nuetral
Night Elves: Start as Nuetral
Undead, Tauren, Trolls: May choose to start as Horde or Nuetral
Orc: Start as horde

There would be ways to switch factions, but it would be hard to do, and switching from alliance to horde and visa versa would require first becoming nuetral (to make it harder to completely switch sides).

I think this would greatly add to the depth of the game (lets face it, not everyone wants to be in the alliance or horde, some people just want to adventure around)

So why wouldn't everyone be nuetral? 1) safety (fewer safe zones for you so you get Pk'd more often) 2) faction benefits, i.e. lower prices at certain shops, more quests and restricted areas.
Oh, and lastly in addition to having alliance and horde towns, maybe have a few nuetral towns, (sorta like switzerland or something) where only nuetrals can enter. (or really high leveled faction players)

Comments?

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Paul_BendenView All Posts by This User

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170. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=43, No=22 | 8/30/2003 8:49:24 PM PDT
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msc_Jakeman,

Let me put my comments from my last post another way...

Most people who want to change factions could care less about the story. They simply want to do it to play with friends who refuse to pick one of the four races in the same faction (and vice versa).

Most of the people coming up with these elaborate ways to switch factions are just trying desperately to put a feature in the game so that they can play with their friends. Again, they could care less about the story that Blizzard wants to tell. They don't care if it completely destroys the game that Blizzard is trying to make.

This has nothing to do with making the RP more real or giving the players more choices. By chosing to switch factions you would in effect be reducing your choices in game. It's all about playing with your friends.

I can understand people wanting to play with their friends. I really can. However, I'm not about to change an entire game just to make that happen (simply because some "friends" insist on playing different factions).

In WoW, you have two sides. They are enemies. The sides fight each other (in PvP areas). The story will be based on the conflict between these two sides. The entire game is based on having the two sides who are against each other. The players wanting to play with their friends are basically coming to WoW and saying "This game isn't what I want. Please change it so that I like it better". Keep in mind that it's not a small change that they're asking for. It's a major change that would basically change the entire game.

Keep howling at the wind. We'll see how much good that does...

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msc_JakemanView All Posts by This User

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171. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=43, No=22 | 8/30/2003 9:55:43 PM PDT
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msc_Jakeman,

Let me put my comments from my last post another way...

Most people who want to change factions could care less about the story. They simply want to do it to play with friends who refuse to pick one of the four races in the same faction (and vice versa).

Most of the people coming up with these elaborate ways to switch factions are just trying desperately to put a feature in the game so that they can play with their friends. Again, they could care less about the story that Blizzard wants to tell. They don't care if it completely destroys the game that Blizzard is trying to make.

This has nothing to do with making the RP more real or giving the players more choices. By chosing to switch factions you would in effect be reducing your choices in game. It's all about playing with your friends.

I can understand people wanting to play with their friends. I really can. However, I'm not about to change an entire game just to make that happen (simply because some "friends" insist on playing different factions).

In WoW, you have two sides. They are enemies. The sides fight each other (in PvP areas). The story will be based on the conflict between these two sides. The entire game is based on having the two sides who are against each other. The players wanting to play with their friends are basically coming to WoW and saying "This game isn't what I want. Please change it so that I like it better". Keep in mind that it's not a small change that they're asking for. It's a major change that would basically change the entire game.

Keep howling at the wind. We'll see how much good that does...


I think you are overstating it a bit. Changing the entire game isn't necessary.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I certainly care about the story. I addressed this in my suggestion. I don't think my suggestion would change the story that much:


Q u o t e:
Staying true to the Warcraft story:
I don't think actually changing factions would fit very well with the Warcraft story. However, I think effectively changing factions would fit in OK with the Warcraft story. After all, what war story doesn't have enemy defectors that are friendly to the opposite side?


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LAZREKView All Posts by This User

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172. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=43, No=22 | 8/30/2003 10:23:10 PM PDT
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I vote Yes, I think it would be great to have guys able to trade sides... I don't think it should be easy, actually maybe even just effectively, but I think it should be possible!

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173. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=44, No=23 | 8/31/2003 1:24:23 AM PDT
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I don't understand this "actually" and "effectively" concept, but uh, if you mean I do thisandthat to become welcome in an enemy village or something I dunno, but altering factions in some way gets my approval.
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CyrusSoulfireView All Posts by This User

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174. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=44, No=23 | 8/31/2003 8:49:42 AM PDT
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Ritar_clawView All Posts by This User

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175. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=44, No=23 | 8/31/2003 8:56:53 AM PDT
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This post is probably the dumbest thing I've ever taken time to post on. I posted like 4 or 5 pages back, took me about a half hour or so to write my post and everyone simply ignored me... Why? because all of you "people" want to ally with you friends no matter the cost. I don't care if it would take Blizzard 15 secs to reprogram the game include faction switching it would so totally alter the game as to make it undesirable. They have said they isn't faction switching, this in turn creates a mindset "ooh my god for once enemy races won't be allied and fighting together everywhere except in PvP zones". I realize that I am contributing to the problem of this damn post by bumping it but let this dumb thread die!!!
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176. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=44, No=23 | 8/31/2003 8:59:09 AM PDT
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Lol, I didn't see your thread, or I wouldn't have made a similar one: http://www.battle.net/forums/wow/thread.aspx?FN=wow-general&T=499084&P=1&ReplyCount=3#post499084

My desire is NO FACTIONS, please! But for the purposes of this thread, I vote "YES" to allowing Faction switching.

I suggest at the very least servers set aside for players who want to group across faction lines.

It's my belief that the overwhelming popularity of these servers would prove to Blizzard how unpopular and un-necessary factions are to good gameplay in WoW.

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CyrusSoulfireView All Posts by This User

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177. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=44, No=23 | 8/31/2003 9:01:24 AM PDT
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This post is probably the dumbest thing I've ever taken time to post on. I posted like 4 or 5 pages back, took me about a half hour or so to write my post and everyone simply ignored me... Why? because all of you "people" want to ally with you friends no matter the cost. I don't care if it would take Blizzard 15 secs to reprogram the game include faction switching it would so totally alter the game as to make it undesirable. They have said they isn't faction switching, this in turn creates a mindset "ooh my god for once enemy races won't be allied and fighting together everywhere except in PvP zones". I realize that I am contributing to the problem of this damn post by bumping it but let this dumb thread die!!!


I bumped it because there were people still creating faction/no faction threads and last time I checked this was one of those type of threads. If someone wants to get blizzard to listen to the community seriously, seeing a 10 page + thread is better than seeing about 50 million threads about the samething. Besides, it cuts down on some of the spam.

Just my wothtless 2cps.

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AlexstrazsaView All Posts by This User

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178. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=44, No=23 | 8/31/2003 9:02:05 AM PDT
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Similarly to how Thrall once gained the favor of humans and lived with them, I imagine some humans might like orcs better, and want to go hang out with them instead. It's fine by me.

But what about the undead? A human who would want to "gain favor" and do quests for them would eventually *become* Undead, much like Arthas did. Better to serve their master or whatever. Maybe the Undead might let the person stay "alive", but I doubt it. So there's some discrepancy there, if such a thing is in game, Blizz would need to make it so that if you gain so much favor among the Undead, they want to make you one of them, and it's pretty much mandatory unless you run away and say screw 'em.
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179. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=44, No=23 | 8/31/2003 9:03:45 AM PDT
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They are only overwhelming popular by the idiots that traverse the forums. The PvP people want factions because that increase their ability to PvP. The RP's obviously want factions for a reason. The only people who don't want factions or want stupid soft Malleable factions are idiots who care nothing for the story and just wanna play with their friends and consider that more important than the story. Get over yourselves you are not that important. There is a considerable number of people who will play the game whether you do or not, so shove off!

Note: i'm not particularly angry at any one person but I am angry at everyone who supports this dumb idea.
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CyrusSoulfireView All Posts by This User

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180. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=44, No=23 | 8/31/2003 9:07:23 AM PDT
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Suggestion:
Allow a character to change factions (effectively or actually) by doing quests and favors for the opposite faction.

Clarification:
Effectively meaning you can't actually change factions, but you can overcome some of the faction separations imposed on you, like not being able to group with members of the opposite faction. Actually meaning you can both overcome faction separations and actually change factions which would overcome other "higher level" faction separations, like not being able to join a guild of the opposite faction. Quests might include those where you help defend the homeland of a race of the opposite faction. Favors might include killing several of your own faction members in duels.

Consequences:
Of course, the consequence of changing factions (effectively or actually) would be that you would lose favor with your own faction.

Staying true to the Warcraft story:
I don't think actually changing factions would fit very well with the Warcraft story. However, I think effectively changing factions would fit in OK with the Warcraft story. After all, what war story doesn't have enemy defectors that are friendly to the opposite side?

Thoughts:
I would love to hear everyone's thoughts on this suggestion.


This is really the main reason I bumped it. It allows PvP and faction switching and still adds to the gameplay. It's a really good idea IMO.


Q u o t e:
They are only overwhelming popular by the idiots that traverse the forums. The PvP people want factions because that increase their ability to PvP. The RP's obviously want factions for a reason. The only people who don't want factions or want stupid soft Malleable factions are idiots who care nothing for the story and just wanna play with their friends and consider that more important than the story. Get over yourselves you are not that important. There is a considerable number of people who will play the game whether you do or not, so shove off!

Note: i'm not particularly angry at any one person but I am angry at everyone who supports this dumb idea.


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