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Topic: Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=3, No | 8/29/2003 2:19:05 PM PDT 
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e-mptyView All Posts by This User

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101. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=3, No | 8/29/2003 2:19:05 PM PDT
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Mercs! Good idea (blizz i hope your hearing this ITS GOLD I TELL YOU GOLD)

would certainly stop the faction arguing

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102. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=20, No=13 | 8/29/2003 2:19:11 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
please don't join in

you obviously havn't read the thread, I'm not joining in, i've been here the whole time.
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103. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=3, No | 8/29/2003 2:20:24 PM PDT
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Player mercs. is a bad idea because there would be no way to assure that they would fight for you. It would be a very bad way for doing things.
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104. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=20, No=13 | 8/29/2003 2:21:17 PM PDT
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why can't I be a merc? D2 I was a merc! give me a name of some PK and a payment, I'd go PK him... called PKKs =]
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105. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=20, No=13 | 8/29/2003 2:22:43 PM PDT
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Yes=21
No=13
Ritar_clawView All Posts by This User

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106. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=20, No=13 | 8/29/2003 2:23:07 PM PDT
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Changing factions is probably going to be the most whined about thing on this entire board. Now even if we look beyond continuity of the universe which can easily be used both ways to suggest either case is valid. We need to look at the bigger picture. The picture that isn't in Warcraft but at the picture of the painter. Blizzard is making WoW faction-based and they realized that a proper faction based system doesn't allow just anyone to switch sides because they complete some "uber" quests or whatever. To switch factions/sides is something totally beyond the scope of a MMO because the issue touches on morality and a whole $!@%load of philosophical topics that obviously are way to deep to discuss on this forum, and to broad in scope to include in a MMO.

Ok now coming back to continuity, suppose that Zigon and Deathcraft hated each other. Now suppose that Zigon is fighting for the Horde, while Deathcraft fights for the alliance. (note: if this portrayal is inaccurate its merely a hypothetical situation) Ok now say I'm Deathcraft's friend, he tells me about how awful a person Zigon is and since I've never met him I naturally believe my friend. So now I hate Zigon too. Will I look past his bias to see the truth, hmm... maybe but with a war going on I highly doubt it. Continuing the example, I proceed to assume everyone in Zigon's faction is a horrible evil monster. Now I grow older, raise my kids and what do I pass on to them???? Well, duh my hatred for Zigon's faction.

This is the situation of WoW these aren't the original Orcs and Humans meeting each other and deciding on a personal basis, they are operating under a learned bias from their parents who fought in the second war, and the orcs grew up in the interment camps. Thus humans and orcs are going to hate other, Trolls also have considerable reasons to hate Elves and humans so they are added to the equation. Dwarves hate Orcs they are in as well, as are Gnomes for similar reasons. UD obviously are quite hated/mistrusted by both sides. The only races that even has a chance to switch sides are Tauren and NE. Even at that though Taurens are known allies of the orcs so they are much less likely to be accepted by the Alliance. NE if they switched factions would be to their own faction and would sit the war out.

Yea some people overcome their prejudice and bias and say hey Maybe all these bias' are wrong. But the chance for them to encounter someone of like thinking on the other side is pretty low. However, it does happen but they are only accepted by each other, a NE defector to the Horde would be hated by his brothers and mistrusted and maligned by the horde with the exception of the few orcs/taurens or whatever he made friends with. (excuse my not using the generic pronouns but they are a pain in the ass). So obviously there is a huge amount of stuff to take into account for either way about this topic. About the Benedict Arnold statement he is so renowned because he's just about the only military traitor during that war which is something of a shock when you consider all of the issues, primarily the fact that England was pretty much winning the whole damn war.

If you want people to switch factions for Power then you need to find a faction that will provide that power. The horde isn't significantly more powerful than the alliance, nor is the alliance that much more powerful than the horde. Power hunger people in either faction would ally with groups like the Burning Legion or maybe the Undead Scourge. That of course is a totally different matter. In essence what I'm saying is for the amount of people who want to change factions just to "play" with their friends is not consistant with the actual number of traitors that "might" betray their faction at any given time.

Now in the cases of Alterac and the Yellow clan in War2exp forgot their name. :( They switched sides for power and out of fear neither wanted to lose the war so they were prepared to sell their own brothers out to surive. Guess what though, after what happened to them I think that will lower the numbers of traitors. Alterac was decimated by the humans, and that Yellow clan probably really enjoyed its time in the internment camps provided they even made it off Draenor of course. :) Doomhammer siezing control isn't an example of switching factions. :D How anyone could have thought that or even seen fit to mention it is beyond me. Doomhammer merely noticed that Blackhand was not a very good Warchief, so he decided that he would be a better one. :)

Oh btw if I missed anything be sure and tell me so I can provide further reasons why if this idea is implemented it would break the continuity of the Warcraft Universe. Its ok for story writers to script betrayal, its another for players to script betrayal.

If anything is mispelled please forgive me this is probably my longest post ever. :)

Edit: please note that wanting to switch factions for increased content is stupid, they coded seperate content for each faction for a reason.

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107. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=20, No=13 | 8/29/2003 2:23:11 PM PDT
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Vote yes
Adds more quests to the overall story, and opens up quests that wouldn't normally be open to someone playing for the opposite side. eg.- orc couldn't do human quests normally, vice versa, but with faction changing then he could.
e-mptyView All Posts by This User

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108. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=20, No=13 | 8/29/2003 2:23:13 PM PDT
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Maybe they make player mercs just as a loop whole through the faction system to party with your friends?
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109. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=20, No=13 | 8/29/2003 2:28:57 PM PDT
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yes effectively
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110. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=20, No=13 | 8/29/2003 2:29:24 PM PDT
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I don't like the idea of using a merc system to allow for cross-faction grouping... it seems like an odd means to an end.

Yes=23
No=13

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111. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=20, No=13 | 8/29/2003 2:35:52 PM PDT
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I'll take gameplay over story any day.

So, yes.
LAZREKView All Posts by This User

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112. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=20, No=13 | 8/29/2003 2:39:27 PM PDT
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man ritar you're a bit of a wind bag eh?
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113. Maleable factions suck!!!!! | 8/29/2003 2:40:03 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:

I'll take gameplay over story any day.

So, yes.

- gunmonkey

Obviously some people realize that story means non-maleable factions!!
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114. Re: Maleable factions suck!!!!! | 8/29/2003 2:41:26 PM PDT
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Yes=24
No=13
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115. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=3, No | 8/29/2003 2:41:58 PM PDT
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yes
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116. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions | 8/29/2003 3:03:47 PM PDT
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Yes=25
No=13
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117. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=25, No=13 | 8/29/2003 3:08:27 PM PDT
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YES
YES
YES
YES













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118. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions - Yes=25, No=13 | 8/29/2003 3:09:42 PM PDT
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Yes
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119. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions | 8/29/2003 3:10:58 PM PDT
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Yes=27
No=13
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120. Re: Suggestion: Changing factions | 8/29/2003 3:56:01 PM PDT
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I gotta give Wingedge props for opening my blind mind to something so obvious...

If people can change factions, half of the people will, and then when you go to battle, half of the people on the other side aren't actually the other faction.

Maybe this might still work if only selected people, who do a ton of defecting specific quests are chosen by blizzard, to be aloud to switch.

But until that is announced, I gotta change my vote to no.
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